Ron Paul followers are hurting his chance to be president

7 08 2007

I have nothing against Dr. Ron Paul. He does have some good ideas. I like his smaller government lower taxes ideas. I personally don’t like his anti-Iraq stance. But this is not about him personally. He is standing up and saying what he thinks needs said. We are in America and he is running for president. Good for him. It’s a dream to run for the highest office of our land.

I think the reason he is being marginalized is not his message, it’s his over zealous followers that try to inject him into any discussion that is hurting him. The other day LGF, one of the largest conservative Blogs that I know of, had a poll about who won the GOP debate. Now a site that gets 80 to 90K visits a day is going to have a lot of responses. But alas, we find out that the “Paulians” are rallying their troops to stack the vote in his favor. The two sites I have become aware of are here and here.

Actions like this are the problem. The “Astroturf” you are trying to pass off as a grass roots ground swell are hurting your candidate’s message. No one will take him seriously when they think his supporters are desperate to make him relevant. Do what the other candidates supporters do. You can post your comments, write a blog supporting him, wear buttons and pass out pamphlets. Don’t make your self’s look like idiots, by stuffing the ballot boxes. What do you think he could accomplish with the majority of the conservative blogasphere laughing at him because of the likes of you?

Let him win or lose in the arena of ideas. That is the fight worth fighting. That is what makes America great.

 Update Dr. Paul got fifth place in the straw poll good job. Thats doing good in the arena of ideas.

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7 08 2007
SameOldSameOld

um… ok, so what if you are a Ron Paul supporter, you don’t in any way want or know how to cheat/spam polls, but you DO want to vote for Paul in the various polls? Should you just sit out because bloggers and the MSM have decided Paul can’t have support? I don’t visit the sites you mention, but – sure – if I see a poll linked from Digg, I will go and cast a single vote. What is stopping supporters of other politicians from doing that? In fact, what is stopping other supporters from rallying their troops? (Likely they can’t because of lack of enthusiasm!)

You are basically saying that Ron Paul supporters who enthusiastically search out and vote in polls, should really not be voting because wins for Paul aren’t credible, according to you. You can always do what other pollsters who “know who is going to win” do, “tune” the poll (http://www.calthomas.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11). That way, whatever Paul gets, you just stick him at 2% and all of you GOP blogging sheep can bleat in approval. This is nonsensical.

FYI – these are some Paul numbers from a couple days ago, is it THAT outrageous that some of these supporters vote for Paul in polls?
~30k Meetup supporters
~51k myspace friends
~24k youtube subscribers
~17k facebook supporters

I will be quite interested to see how Paul does in the Iowa straw poll. If he gets 2%, I will gladly give you Paul denialists credit for being right. At what % would you finally accept that he is a credible candidate with offline supporters? Give us a number so that we can hold you to it. OR are you going to go by the “if Paul gets more than 2%, his spammers/cheats have rigged the poll once more” canard?

7 08 2007
John Howard

If we are going to defeat Ron Paul, we can’t attack his positions since he is right. Our best bet is to try to shame and ridicule his supporters. I think we can count on the government-licensed and corporate-funded mainstream media to ignore and misrepresent him, but the internet is millions of independant individuals with plenty of information available to them. Our only hope is to lie about them and hope we can get away with it.

7 08 2007
tvfoh

First off, I am saying that the disproportionate amount of non scientific poll results vs. general polling (gallup, rasmusin) is looking odd. maybe a site would like a poll of his regular readers not being flooded with outsiders.

I do believe that it was wrong of some sites not to originally include Ron Paul in their polls. If you take the time to run you should be included in the festivities.

Mr Howard, I am insulted that you think that I want him to lose. I said he has some good ideas. The fact you see a conspiracy against him is the problem that I am trying to make.

7 08 2007
Bill O. Rights

A big problem with our electoral process is that the old media generally supports the richest candidates (who got their money from special interest). Those are the worst candidates because they are owned by special interest and lobbyists. Hopefully the internet will help restore balance and choice.

Dr. Ron Paul is the only major candidate not owned by military-industrial-complex, corporations, special interest, lobbyists, etc. Fix the system and vote Ron Paul. And tell everyone you know. Now is the time to set ourselves free.

Do not listen to the so called ‘Scientific Polls’. Ron Paul is not included in the cleverly woven questions pollsters are asking. This has been well documented.

Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were doing about the same in the ‘Scientific Polls’ at this stage in their elections. ‘Scientific Polls’ at this stage only measure name recognition. Over the next six months Ron Paul will gain name recognition. Most people who learn about Ron Paul become major supporters.

Ron Paul has over 30,000 registered volunteers. More than all other candidates combined (maybe more than any candidate in history). And more registering now at Meetup.com.

Dr. Ron Paul has the most contributions from U.S. military personnel and veterans above all other candidates.

Ron Paul is 1st on YouTube, Meetup, MySpace, Technorati, Alexa, Clickz, Google, etc. The old media is just too slow to realize what is happening.

7 08 2007
SameOldSameOld

Fair enough. Now do you want to guesstimate a % for Ron Paul in the Iowa straw poll? Or do you really believe that the MSMs 2% is credible? Your whole thesis here is that the MSMs numbers are credible, will you blog that you were actually wrong if Paul gets – say – 5% ? Pick a number if you are so certain about the MSM.

Also, to further what Bill O. is saying, have you looked at the questions that the MSM pollsters use, or do you just accept their findings? Take the recent AP (Ipsos) one, question 1 b.
If the 2008 Republican presidential primary or caucus in your state were being held today, and the candidates
were…for whom would you vote?
Rudy Giuliani
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Newt Gingrich
Mike Huckabee
Sam Brownback

NO Paul. Tell me, how can Paul get any % when the pollsters don’t even include him in polls?

11 08 2007
OldGuy

Ron Paul supporters are the same people who listen to and believe everything Alex Jones says. Mostly because RP is a regular on Alex Jones radio show.
Your seeing the consequences here with one Paulette actually claiming a conspiracy of the “government-licensed and corporate-funded mainstream media” to keep their chosen candidate from winning.
The fact is that there is some delusional thinking going on, the first being that RP has enough support to actually become POTUS.
However the fall back position is if he doesn’t do well in todays Republican Iowa straw poll it’s because of a “conspiracy”.
Ames Straw Poll Gets Legal Challenge
While SameOldSameOld posts numbers of supporters that at first glance seem impressive some perspective is in order, there are approximately 100 million voters out there, in comparison his tally of supporters is paltry and clearly not enough to make a realistic run.

12 08 2007
charlie c

I like ron paul becuase he speaks about the realities of the inflation, debt, terrorism, and the war. so unfortunately to me the reality is that ron paul did not win the iowa straw poll. Other candidates have more support. he finished 5th with 9.1%. However, that is real support, not just “artifical” online support. Paul finished in the middle meaning for all us Paul supports that the work continues but we are real people.

13 08 2007
OldGuy

Sorry charlie c, but the real test will be Sept. 1 when they hold the Texas Republican straw poll. With 34 electoral votes at stake Giuliani and McCain won’t pass it up. And declared or not if Fred Thompson is included it could be really bad for RP.
If he can’t do well in his home state then it’s just a matter of time.

19 04 2008
Cliff Treadway

Here’s the real story (no matter what Glenn Beck might say):

C’mon OldGuy, Roping everybody together like that is a fool’s game. I’m not a fan of Alex Jones, but that’s neither here nor there; one has nothing to do with the other. We both know that. But if you want to go for what’s popular over what’s truly correct, knock yourself out. But I don’t think you’re dumb enough to believe money shouldn’t be Constitional (of real value). Maybe you don’t care to have your liberty back. Working a third of your life to keep greedy Marxist money changers happy is fun, right?

You might be better off not trying quite so hard to maintain your good standing among the ranks of morons. That Alex Jones cheep-shot thing is just a moronic copout.

Don’t poke fun at people who have better ideas and asperations than you do (it makes you look foolish).

By the way, the mainstream media’s fontrunners are all the same; terrible people who don’t give a flyin’ fig what you want or need. They only pretend to care about the nation to get brownie points from good people like you. They’re just after power. Ron Paul entered the presidential race specifically for people like you. He’s an honorable man who actually thinks for himself. The three asses who were pushed to the top by the big bad “powers that be” wreek of dishonor and stupidity. Billery, Osama Obama, and the other fascist warlord let the Powers That Be do the thinking. But if you want to lick the butts and boots of psycho rubicons (it’s a word; look it up) just like your friends, enjoy your slavery. …Or if the idea of being jammed into a proverbial lion’s den as quickly and efficiently as possible doesn’t sound that thrilling, you could vote for Ron Paul (who will do his very best to give you back the dignity the government and the corporate quasi-governments stole from you) instead of voting for one of the immoral, high-risk, high-maintenance, sickening frontrunners just so you can be one of the gang.

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